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2m. 7f. 180yds. Hcap Chase (Class 4) 4-y-o plus 20 Entered
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of £15,650.00- Race Info
1st - £8,265.00 2nd - £3,803.00 3rd - £1,901.00 4th - £952.00 5th - £474.00
Shirocco (GER)-Queens Regatta(King's Theatre)
(42)
bf
(The Pendil Partnership)
Rated 121
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 4 | 2 | 2 | -0.50 |
11th Oct 24 Chepstow(2m 3f 100yds Hurdle, Good to Soft) Rated 121 4/6Fav 11-0 Harry Cobden 3rd of 16 runners, 2.5L and 7L behind Rockstown Girl and Dameofthecotswolds
3rd May 24 Cheltenham(3m 1f 56yds Chase, Soft) Rated 121 30/100Fav 11-11 Mr W Biddick 1st of 4 runners, by 94L and from Grenadine Save and
22nd Mar 24 Newbury(2m 7f 86yds Chase, Good to Soft (Soft in places)) 6/5Fav 11-9 Mr W Biddick 2nd of 6 runners, 3.5L behind Secret Investor
Yeats (IRE)-Pearl Buttons(Alflora)
(20)
c1
(Sailing To Byzantium)
Rated 121
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 13 | 2 | 5 | 0.50 |
2nd Nov 24 Wetherby(2m 3f 85yds Hcap Chase, Good) Rated 123 4/1 11-13 Harry Cobden 6th of 7 runners, 31L behind Tedley
22nd Apr 24 Kempton(3m Hcap Chase, Good) Rated 123 6/4Fav 11-2 Tom Bellamy 4th of 11 runners, 15.75L behind Highstakesplayer
24th Mar 24 Ascot(2m 5f 8yds Hcap Chase, Good) Rated 119 4/1 11-11 Tom Bellamy 1st of 11 runners, by hd and 3.75L from Storminhome and Sageburg County
In the last 3 years Kings Threshold (IRE) has met
Horse | No. Of times | |
Hall Lane (IRE) | 1 | |
24th Feb 2023 Warwick(2m 3f , Hurdle, Good) King's Threshold (IRE) 4th (20/1 11-2) Tom Bellamy 4.25L in front of Hall Lane (IRE) 6th (40/1 11-8) Tom Cannon (15 ran) | ||
Karaktar (IRE)-Une Idee(Brier Creek)
(286)
(Middleham Park Racing & Mrs D J Brown)
Rated 120
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 7 | 2 | 3 | -1.15 |
10th Feb 24 Newbury(3m 52yds Hcap Hurdle, Heavy-Soft in places) Rated 120 9/2 10-8 Bradley Harris (3) 8th of 10 runners, 60.25L behind Emitom
1st Jan 24 Cheltenham(2m 7f 213yds Hcap Hurdle, Heavy (Soft in places)) Rated 121 6/1 10-1 Bradley Harris (5) 6th of 10 runners, 15.5L behind Butch
14th Dec 23 Newcastle(2m 6f Hurdle, Heavy) Rated 120 11/10Fav 11-2 Bradley Harris (5) 1st of 7 runners, by 2.75L and 4.25L from Young Jack and Both Barrels
Coastal Path (GB)-Carmen Des Bordes(Network)
(200)
(Mrs C Hanbury & Mrs H Mackenzie Smith)
Rated 118
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 5 | 1 | 3 | -3.09 |
P2P | 1 | 1 | 0 |
6th May 24 Kempton(2m 5f Maiden Hurdle, Good-Good to Soft in places) Rated 118 10/11Fav 11-4 N de Boinville 1st of 8 runners, by 2.25L and nk from Fasol and Gentleman s Relish
31st Jan 24 Exeter(2m 5f 137yds Maiden Hurdle, Good to Soft) Rated 118 7/4Fav 11-10 James Bowen pulled up of 16 runners, in race won by Largy Poet
22nd Dec 23 Ascot(2m 5f 141yds Maiden Hurdle, Good to Soft-Good in places) 8/1 11-4 N de Boinville 2nd of 10 runners, 6.5L behind Welcom To Cartries
Carlotamix (FR)-Power Of Future(Definite Article)
(24)
d2
(Mr S Grys & Mr M O'boyle)
Rated 118
Won When Rated 118
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 36 | 6 | 14 | 3.75 |
29th Oct 24 Chepstow(3m 2f 54yds Hcap Chase, Soft (Good to Soft in places)) Rated 119 11/1 11-13 Alan Johns 6th of 14 runners, 29.5L behind King Turgeon
6th Oct 24 Uttoxeter(2m 7f 70yds Hcap Hurdle, Good) Rated 120 9/2 10-13 Alan Johns 3rd of 5 runners, 0.75L and 13L behind Lihyan and Hardy Boy
13th Apr 24 Chepstow(2m 7f 131yds Hcap Chase, Good to Soft (Soft in places)) Rated 118 6/1 11-12 Alan Johns 1st of 8 runners, by shd and 3.75L from Rouge De L quest and Bolsover Bill
In the last 3 years Bells Of Peterboro (IRE) has met
Horse | No. Of times | |
Reilly (IRE) | 1 | |
3rd Dec 2022 Chepstow(2m 7f 131yds, Hcap Chase, Good to Soft) Bells Of Peterboro (IRE) 3rd (8/1 10-12 Rated 123) Alan Johns 32.00L in front of Reilly (IRE) 6th (22/1 10-7 Rated 118) Bridget Andrews (9 ran) | ||
Doyen (IRE)-Burnt Oil Babe(Beneficial)
(363)
(Foxtrot Racing Bali Body)
Rated 118
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 8 | 2 | 4 | 6.88 |
P2P | 1 | 0 | 0 |
25th Nov 23 Haydock(3m 1f 125yds Hcap Chase, Hurdle: Good to Soft-Soft in places; Chase: Soft-Good to Soft in places) Rated 116 6/1 10-9 Charlie Hammond 3rd of 10 runners, 1L and 0.75L behind Famous Bridge and Credo
4th Nov 23 Wetherby(3m 45yds Hcap Chase, Soft (Heavy in places)) Rated 115 16/1 12-0 Charlie Hammond 2nd of 9 runners, 4.25L behind Not Sure
3rd Dec 21 Sandown(3m 37yds Hcap Chase, Good to Soft (Good in places)) Rated 115 15/8Fav 10-11 Mr James King 1st of 8 runners, by 3.25L and 13L from Rolling Dylan and Valadom
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
IRE | 1 | 0 | 0 | -1.00 |
UK | 10 | 3 | 2 | -0.67 |
P2P | 4 | 1 | 0 |
20th Oct 24 Kempton(3m Hcap Chase, Good) Rated 112 9/2 11-6 G Sheehan 1st of 8 runners, by 3.75L and 1L from Almazhar Garde and Killer Kane
17th Mar 24 Huntingdon(2m 7f 129yds Hcap Chase, Soft) Rated 112 4/1 11-10 G Sheehan 2nd of 5 runners, 7L behind Loup De Maulde
1st Feb 24 Ffos Las(2m 7f 177yds Hcap Chase, Heavy) Rated 112 11/2 11-6 G Sheehan fell of 8 runners, in race won by Gingerbred
In the last 3 years Regarde (IRE) has met
Horse | No. Of times | |
Concetto (FR) | 1 | |
20th Oct 2024 Kempton(3m , Hcap Chase, Good) Regarde (IRE) 1st (9/2 11-6 Rated 112) G Sheehan 20.00L in front of Concetto (FR) 5th (12/1 11-10 Rated 119) Toby Wynne (8 ran) | ||
Martaline (GB)-Laskadya(Lashkari)
(219)
(David & Carol Shaw)
Rated 118
Won When Rated 128
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 16 | 1 | 4 | -13.50 |
Other | 1 | 0 | 0 |
17th Apr 24 Cheltenham(3m 2f Hcap Chase, Good (Good to Soft in places)) Rated 120 22/1 9-12 Miss Lucy Turner (5) pulled up(14 ran) in race won by Manothepeople
11th Mar 24 Taunton(3m 4f 85yds Hcap Chase, Soft (Good to Soft in places)) Rated 120 9/2 10-8 Miss Lucy Turner (5) 2nd of 7 runners, 1.25L behind Broken Halo
15th Feb 24 Sandown(3m 37yds Chase, Chase: Soft-Good to Soft in places; Hurdle: Soft-Heavy in places) Rated 122 7/2 11-12 Sgt Nick Oliver (7) pulled up(5 ran) in race won by Farceur Du Large
Fruits of Love (USA)-Noble Choice(Dahar)
(17)
(Mrs Emma Kendall)
Rated 117
Won When Rated 133-123-118-117
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 40 | 9 | 8 | -3.75 |
P2P | 1 | 0 | 0 |
5th Nov 24 Warwick(2m 4f Hcap Chase, Good) Rated 120 18/1 11-4 Callum Pritchard (10) 4th of 8 runners, 9.5L behind I m Ravenous
22nd Aug 24 Newton Abbot(2m 4f 216yds Hcap Chase, Good (Good to Firm in places)) Rated 122 20/1 11-6 Callum Pritchard (10) 4th of 8 runners, 19L behind Glynn
21st Jun 24 Market Rasen(2m 5f 89yds Hcap Chase, Good-Good to Firm in places) Rated 123 9/1 10-11 Ben Jones 12th of 12 runners, 37.16L behind Yccs Portocervo
Kapgarde (FR)-Lulu Rouge(Astarabad)
(33)
d3
(5 O'clock Somewhere Partnership)
Rated 117
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 16 | 4 | 1 | 4.75 |
P2P | 3 | 0 | 0 |
20th Oct 24 Kempton(3m Hcap Chase, Good) Rated 119 12/1 11-10 Toby Wynne (3) 5th of 8 runners, 20L behind Regarde
24th Apr 24 Ludlow(2m 7f 171yds Hcap Chase, Good (Good to Soft in places)) Rated 119 10/3Fav 11-13 Henry Brooke 5th of 9 runners, 6L behind Horacio Apple s
1st Apr 24 Huntingdon(2m 7f 129yds Hcap Chase, Good (Good to Soft in places)) Rated 113 11/2 11-7 Henry Brooke 1st of 10 runners, by 2.75L and 3L from Belargus and Island Run
In the last 3 years Concetto (FR) has met
Horse | No. Of times | |
Regarde (IRE) | 1 | |
20th Oct 2024 Kempton(3m , Hcap Chase, Good) Regarde (IRE) 1st (9/2 11-6 Rated 112) G Sheehan 20.00L in front of Concetto (FR) 5th (12/1 11-10 Rated 119) Toby Wynne (8 ran) | ||
Ballingarry (IRE)-Playa Du Charmil(Saint des Saints)
(29)
d1
(Martin Gowing And Paul Booker)
Rated 117
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 19 | 6 | 4 | 13.65 |
24th Oct 24 Carlisle(2m 3f 210yds Hcap Chase, Good to Soft-Good in places) Rated 118 11/2 12-0 James Bowen 3rd of 15 runners, 0.5L and 6L behind The Flier Begley and Indian Louis
26th Sep 24 Perth(2m 4f 20yds Hcap Chase, Good) Rated 114 13/2 11-13 James Bowen 1st of 7 runners, by 0.5L and 9L from Post No Bills and Step Above
15th May 24 Ffos Las(3m 3f 208yds Hcap Chase, Good (Good to Soft In Places)) Rated 115 16/5Fav 11-9 Sean Bowen 4th of 11 runners, 16.75L behind Amateur
In the last 3 years Peejaybee (FR) has met
Horse | No. Of times | |
Hall Lane (IRE) | 2 | |
22nd Mar 2024 Newbury(2m 6f 93yds, Hcap Chase, Good to Soft (Soft in places)) Peejaybee (FR) 3rd (2/1Fav 11-8 Rated 116) Sean Bowen 2.06L in front of Hall Lane (IRE) 5th (17/2 11-2 Rated 110) Tom Cannon (8 ran) | ||
23rd Nov 2023 Market Rasen(2m 5f 89yds, Hcap Chase, Good to Soft (Soft in places)) Hall Lane (IRE) 2nd (16/1 11-3 Rated 113) D A Jacob 7.50L in front of Peejaybee (FR) 4th (7/1 11-10 Rated 120) Jonjo O'Neill Jr (6 ran) | ||
Shantou (USA)-Knockbounce View(Old Vic)
(6)
d1
(Mr Ken Lawrence)
Rated 117
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 18 | 3 | 11 | -2.67 |
P2P | 1 | 0 | 0 |
16th Nov 24 Uttoxeter(3m 2f 13yds Hcap Chase, Good) Rated 117 7/2 11-10 James Bowen 2nd of 5 runners, 0.5L behind Ajp Kingdom
23rd Feb 24 Exeter(3m 54yds Hcap Chase, Heavy) Rated 117 5/1 10-6 J M Quinlan 2nd of 4 runners, 2L behind Pimlico Point
27th Jan 24 Uttoxeter(3m 2f 13yds Hcap Chase, Heavy-Soft in places on Hurdle course) Rated 118 85/40Fav 11-12 J M Quinlan 2nd of 8 runners, 11L behind Here Comes Mccoy
In the last 3 years Sporting Ace (IRE) has met
Horse | No. Of times | |
Gold Clermont (FR) | 1 | |
7th Jan 2024 Plumpton(3m 4f 102yds, Hcap Chase, Soft (Good to Soft in places)) Sporting Ace (IRE) 6th (7/2Fav 10-12 Rated 119) J M Quinlan 1.75L in front of Gold Clermont (FR) 8th (11/2 10-2 Rated 112) Phillip Armson (11 ran) | ||
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 13 | 1 | 6 | -4.00 |
30th Oct 24 Newton Abbot(2m 5f 122yds Hcap Hurdle, Heavy (Soft in places)) Rated 114 12/1 10-12 Brendan Powell 5th of 9 runners, 11L behind Catch Him Derry
24th Apr 24 Taunton(2m 3f 1yds Hcap Hurdle, Good) Rated 109 8/1 12-0 Brendan Powell 1st of 10 runners, by 0.75L and 3.25L from Swift Hawk and Bella Civena
17th Mar 24 Chepstow(2m 7f 131yds Maiden Hurdle, Heavy) Rated 110 5/2 11-1 Freddie Gingell (5) 2nd of 6 runners, 18L behind Haiti Couleurs
Dylan Thomas (IRE)-Ma Baker(Robin Des Champs)
(31)
d1
(Mrs Ann Leftley)
Rated 113
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 17 | 4 | 7 | -1.62 |
22nd Oct 24 Exeter(2m 7f 25yds Hcap Hurdle, Good to Soft (Good in places)) Rated 110 18/1 11-2 James Best pulled up(13 ran) in race won by Earth King
29th Jan 24 Plumpton(3m 1f 152yds Hcap Chase, Good to Soft (Soft in places)) Rated 110 5/4Fav 11-11 James Best 1st of 6 runners, by 2.25L and 2.25L from Sublime Heights and Born At Midnight
7th Jan 24 Plumpton(2m 3f 164yds Hcap Chase, Soft (Good to Soft in places)) Rated 107 4/1Fav 11-11 James Best 2nd of 10 runners, shd behind Godot
Mahler (GB)-Nina Fontenail(Kaldounevees)
(37)
d1
(Andrew Lay's Legacy)
Rated 113
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 5 | 1 | 1 | 0.00 |
P2P | 3 | 1 | 0 |
16th Oct 24 Worcester(2m 7f Hcap Chase, Soft) Rated 103 4/1 11-10 Tom Bellamy 1st of 14 runners, by 3.5L and 8.5L from Icaque De L isle and Stringtoyourbow
19th Mar 24 Exeter(2m 5f 137yds Maiden Hurdle, Soft (Heavy in places)) 11/2 11-7 David Bass 3rd of 8 runners, 0.75L and 6L behind Tiny Tetley and King Of The Lake
14th Feb 24 Hereford(3m 1f 119yds Maiden Hurdle, Soft) 9/1 11-4 David Bass 5th of 9 runners, 27.78L behind Illico De Cotte
Balko (FR)-Une Dame D'or(Astarabad)
(251)
(Doyoufollow Partnership)
Rated 113
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 23 | 4 | 5 | 18.75 |
16th Mar 24 Uttoxeter(4m 2f 8yds Hcap Chase, Heavy) Rated 115 25/1 9-13 Phillip Armson (3) 6th of 12 runners, 18.75L behind Beauport
24th Feb 24 Newcastle(4m 1f 56yds Hcap Chase, Heavy-Soft in places) Rated 115 11/1 1 Phillip Armson (3) 4th of 12 runners, 8.5L behind Anglers Crag
28th Jan 24 Fontwell(3m 3f 149yds Hcap Chase, Soft (Good to Soft in places)) Rated 110 9/2 11-1 Phillip Armson (3) 1st of 6 runners, by 8L and 10L from Jerrash and Southern Sam
In the last 3 years Gold Clermont (FR) has met
Horse | No. Of times | |
Sporting Ace (IRE) | 1 | |
7th Jan 2024 Plumpton(3m 4f 102yds, Hcap Chase, Soft (Good to Soft in places)) Sporting Ace (IRE) 6th (7/2Fav 10-12 Rated 119) J M Quinlan 1.75L in front of Gold Clermont (FR) 8th (11/2 10-2 Rated 112) Phillip Armson (11 ran) | ||
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 9 | 1 | 4 | -5.50 |
10th Feb 23 Kempton(3m Hcap Chase, Good to Soft (Good in places)) Rated 117 13/2 12-0 Harry Skelton 4th of 7 runners, 4L behind Love Actually
3rd Dec 22 Chepstow(2m 7f 131yds Hcap Chase, Good to Soft) Rated 118 22/1 10-7 Bridget Andrews 6th of 9 runners, 44.5L behind Manothepeople
1st Nov 22 Warwick(3m 1f 100yds Hcap Chase, Good to Soft-Good in places) Rated 115 5/2Fav 11-2 Harry Skelton 2nd of 6 runners, 1.25L behind Guetapan Collonges
In the last 3 years Reilly (IRE) has met
Horse | No. Of times | |
Bells Of Peterboro (IRE) | 1 | |
3rd Dec 2022 Chepstow(2m 7f 131yds, Hcap Chase, Good to Soft) Bells Of Peterboro (IRE) 3rd (8/1 10-12 Rated 123) Alan Johns 32.00L in front of Reilly (IRE) 6th (22/1 10-7 Rated 118) Bridget Andrews (9 ran) | ||
Mount Nelson (GB)-Cashalass(Moscow Society)
(19)
d1
(Jerry Wright & The Lee Family)
Rated 111
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 13 | 2 | 3 | 13.75 |
3rd Nov 24 Huntingdon(2m 7f 129yds Hcap Chase, Good (Good to Firm in places)) Rated 112 5/1 11-12 Tom Bellamy 5th of 6 runners, 14.5L behind Just Loose Change
7th Jul 24 Market Rasen(2m 7f 191yds Hcap Chase, Good) Rated 110 11/4 11-5 Tom Bellamy 1st of 4 runners, by hd and 26L from Phil De Pail and Morning Spirit
14th Jun 24 Market Rasen(2m 5f 89yds Hcap Chase, Good-Good to Soft in places) Rated 112 3/1Fav 12-0 Tom Bellamy 4th of 7 runners, 18.5L behind Mikhailovich
In the last 3 years Hall Lane (IRE) has met
Horse | No. Of times | |
Peejaybee (FR) | 2 | |
22nd Mar 2024 Newbury(2m 6f 93yds, Hcap Chase, Good to Soft (Soft in places)) Peejaybee (FR) 3rd (2/1Fav 11-8 Rated 116) Sean Bowen 2.06L in front of Hall Lane (IRE) 5th (17/2 11-2 Rated 110) Tom Cannon (8 ran) | ||
23rd Nov 2023 Market Rasen(2m 5f 89yds, Hcap Chase, Good to Soft (Soft in places)) Hall Lane (IRE) 2nd (16/1 11-3 Rated 113) D A Jacob 7.50L in front of Peejaybee (FR) 4th (7/1 11-10 Rated 120) Jonjo O'Neill Jr (6 ran) | ||
King's Threshold (IRE) | 1 | |
24th Feb 2023 Warwick(2m 3f , Hurdle, Good) King's Threshold (IRE) 4th (20/1 11-2) Tom Bellamy 4.25L in front of Hall Lane (IRE) 6th (40/1 11-8) Tom Cannon (15 ran) | ||
Shantou (USA)-Mood I'm In(Saddlers' Hall)
(10)
(Mr Barry Hawkins)
Rated 101
Won When Rated 101
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
UK | 14 | 2 | 4 | -1.50 |
P2P | 4 | 1 | 0 |
12th Nov 24 Hereford(2m 4f 194yds Hcap Chase, Good-Good to Firm in places) Rated 101 2/1 11-6 Stan Sheppard 1st of 5 runners, by 0.5L and 20L from Superbolt and Fat Sam
14th Oct 24 Hereford(2m 4f 194yds Hcap Chase, Good (Good to Firm in places)) Rated 96 17/2 11-12 Stan Sheppard 1st of 10 runners, by 1.25L and 1.5L from Lost Connections and Ballinoulart
27th Sep 24 Worcester(2m 110yds Hcap Chase, Soft) Rated 97 9/4Fav 11-1 Stan Sheppard 2nd of 8 runners, nk behind Mutual Respect
Scorpion (IRE)-Time To Act(Rakaposhi King)
(32)
bf
(The Chris Honour Racing Club)
Rated 98
NH Statistics | Runs | Wins | Places | €Level |
---|---|---|---|---|
IRE | 18 | 0 | 0 | -18.00 |
UK | 15 | 3 | 9 | 8.25 |
P2P | 9 | 0 | 0 |
21st Oct 24 Plumpton(2m 3f 164yds Hcap Chase, Good to Soft) Rated 99 10/3JFav 11-13 B Carver 4th of 7 runners, 25.75L behind West Orchard
2nd Jun 24 Fakenham(2m 5f 44yds Hcap Chase, Good) Rated 99 13/2 10-2 B Carver 2nd of 8 runners, 4.75L behind Riskintheground
20th May 24 Newton Abbot(2m 4f 216yds Hcap Chase, Good (Good to Soft in places)) Rated 92 8/1 10-12 B Carver 1st of 10 runners, by 1.75L and 19L from American Gerry and Out Of Focus
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